--Session
Start: Sun Jan 20 21:02:13 2002
[21:02]
*** Topic is ' 20th January Andrew Gallix: Sorbonne conference
3ammagazine'
[21:02] *** Set by Helen_Whitehead on Tue Jan 15 13:05:37
[21:02] <Margaret_Penfold> Yes, my fault I am sure about
email address
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[21:02] <Feathers> but i had the graphics trouble with
it the other day
[21:02] <Margaret_Penfold> Hi Nicki, Hi Everdeen
[21:02] <Nicki> Hi Margaret, hi everyone
[21:02] *** log is now known as Helen_W
[21:03] <Everdeen_Tree> Hello all
[21:03] *** Everdeen_Tree is now known as Ev
[21:03] <Nicki> brb
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[21:03] * cahoots blinks at ev to see what shape she is now
[21:03] <Helen_W> Hi folks. Andrew is having trouble getting
here. Either talk amongst yourselves or have a look at http://www.3ammagazine.com
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[21:03] <Margaret_Penfold> Hi Andrew
[21:03] <cahoots> hi Andrew
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[21:03] <Helen_W> Hi Andrew - can you see us yet?
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[21:03] <Feathers> bienvenue, Andrew
[21:04] <Everdeen_Tree> .Nick Ev
[21:04] <Andrew_Gallix> Hi there
[21:04] <Deena> Has anyone signed up for the conference?
[21:04] *** Everdeen_Tree is now known as Ev
[21:04] <Ev> Hello Andrew
[21:04] <Helen_W> Hey success! That's great Andrew, you're
really here! Is this your first time in chat?
[21:04] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, I'm here now
[21:04] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes it is. Can you tell?
[21:05] * cahoots wonders if the poor man knows what he's let
himself in for
[21:05] <Helen_W> Hi Ev, Karen, Nicki, Margaret, Deena,
Feathers and Ev!
[21:05] <Helen_W> You're doing fine!
[21:05] <Andrew_Gallix> Cheers
[21:05] <Helen_W> Welcome to the world of instant text
communication
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[21:05] <Helen_W> Well, car wasn't here long!
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[21:05] * Ev smiles at Andrew from Houston, Texas.
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[21:06] * Nicki repositions herself in situ
[21:06] <Deena> "hands round large glasses of the
best French wines
[21:06] <Helen_W> Yes, would everyone like to say where
they are to give Andrew a feel for his audience?
[21:06] <Margaret_Penfold> Andrew, do you live in France?
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[21:06] * Pauline_Masurel_SK greets guest speaker and all assembled.
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[21:06] * cahoots waves and grins from London, UK
[21:06] <Andrew_Gallix> Don't mention wine, I'm still
hung over from last night!
[21:06] <Helen_W> Hi Carrie (do stay!) and Mazzy
[21:06] <Helen_W> (stya = stay)
[21:06] <Deena> Handing round great fresh French bread
from Denver Colorado
[21:07] <Carrie_McMillan> had some trouble getting here...
[21:07] * Margaret_Penfold sends signals from Leicester UK
[21:07] * Nicki waves from Nottingham, UK
[21:07] * cahoots hands Andrew a large glass of wine, "you
need hair of the dog, mate"
[21:07] * Mazzy is in Berkshire, UK
[21:07] <Andrew_Gallix> I know!
[21:07] <Feathers> bonjour de Montreal
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[21:07] <Karen_King> Karen King is in Cornwall, England
[21:07] <Andrew_Gallix> Salut, Ca va?
[21:07] <Karen_King> Hello Kate
[21:07] <Feathers> bien, et vous?
[21:07] <Karen_King> You'd think we'd all had enough of
chat wouldn't you Kate?
[21:08] <Andrew_Gallix> Tr*s bien merci. Que faites vous
* Montr*al?
[21:08] <Helen_W> Andrew is trying it for the first time....
[21:08] <Karen_King> Tres bien, Andrew
[21:08] <Kate_Pullinger> I haven't been here before myself.
[21:08] <Feathers> I write user documentation for computer
software
[21:08] <Andrew_Gallix> Interesting.
[21:08] <Helen_W> Everyone here is interested in online
writing of one form or another
[21:09] <Helen_W> from help to hypertext :)
[21:09] <Andrew_Gallix> :-)
[21:09] <Helen_W> When did you first become interested
in writing on the Net Andrew?
[21:09] <Andrew_Gallix> When I started trying to get my
stories published
[21:09] <Deena> @URL http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/events/sorbonne/
[21:10] <Deena> :Is looking at the conference announcement
at http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/events/sorbonne/
[21:10] <Helen_W> Fiction? or journalism?
[21:10] <Andrew_Gallix> Fiction
[21:10] * Helen_W nods at Deena
[21:10] <Andrew_Gallix> ?
[21:11] <Margaret_Penfold> I'm not risking leaving trace
to look for URLs I always get chucked off
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[21:11] <Carrie_McMillan> Andrew, what was your experience
of trying to get published?
[21:11] <Karen_King> Hello Sure
[21:11] <Ev> Is the Call for Papers still open? I don't
see a deadline on the announcement.
[21:11] <Deena> hands Margaret a life preserver made of
electrons and fine French cheeses
[21:11] <Nicki> I'm looking at URLs in Netscape while
here through I.E.
[21:11] <Margaret_Penfold> Andrew do you write stories
in French or English or both
[21:11] <Helen_W> I should probably introduce Andrew --
He is organising the Colloque International Litterature et Internet:
Nouvelles Formes d'Ecriture Electronique in March at the Sorbonne
and is editor of 3ammagazine and online mag
[21:12] <Kate_Pullinger> Can you send private messages
in this chat?
[21:12] <Andrew_Gallix> English
[21:12] <Ev> Kate - re private messages yes, but it's
tricky and you may get chucked out the first time
[21:12] <Helen_W> Is all of this part of your job, Andrew,
or do you do something else to make a living?
[21:12] <Sue_Thomas> Hi Andrew - sorry I'm late everyone
[21:12] <Andrew_Gallix> Hi Sue
[21:13] <Kate_Pullinger> Hi Sue. Is 'Ev' Everdeen?
[21:13] * Ev nods yes and polishes "Everdeen" badge.
[21:13] <Kate_Pullinger> Hallooo!
[21:13] <Helen_W> Hi Sue -- Andrew is a newbie in chat
so we oldies will have to cut him some slack!
[21:13] <Deena> Says hi to sue and all newcomers and hands
round more chocolates
[21:14] * Ev smiles back
[21:14] <Sue_Thomas> ok Helen !
[21:14] <Sue_Thomas> Sorry to interrupt- do carry on
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[21:14] * Nicki thinks Sue neatly sidestepped the oldie comment
[21:14] * Ev writes on the chalkboard: "To Do Actions:
Type /me and then the action"
[21:14] * Karen_King takes a chocolate
[21:15] * Carrie_McMillan hangs on tighter seeing Helen getting
chucked off
[21:15] <Helen_W> Andrew, did you start the mag to publish
your own stories?
[21:15] * Kate_Pullinger gives it a go.
[21:15] <Andrew_Gallix> No, I don't use it as a vehicle
for my stuff
[21:16] <Andrew_Gallix> That would be cheating
[21:16] <Sue_Thomas> It's very nicely designed - who does
that part of it?
[21:16] <Helen_W> A fine honourable attitude
[21:16] * cahoots applauds Andrew's ethics
[21:16] <Andrew_Gallix> Jim, a Canadian
[21:16] <Helen_W> Why did you start it up?
[21:16] <Kate_Pullinger> Is this a private message?
[21:16] <Sue_Thomas> Jim who?
[21:16] <Karen_King> No Kate
[21:16] <cahoots> to Kate, no
[21:16] <Helen_W> Was it just you or was there a team
involved at the start
[21:17] <Andrew_Gallix> There already was a site launched
by Kenny Wilson, a young American
[21:17] <Andrew_Gallix> Jim Martin is our webmaster
[21:17] <Deena> Shares the URL for 3 am magazine for later
perusal: http://www.3ammagazine.com/
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[21:17] <Sue_Thomas> ok, thanks Andrew
[21:17] <Karen_King> Thanks Deena
[21:17] <Andrew_Gallix> You're welcome
[21:17] <Helen_W> And you joined the team, Andrew?
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[21:18] <Andrew_Gallix> No, I sent Kenny a story. He posted
it & I suggested turning his site into a webzine
[21:18] <Nicki> Hi Mike
[21:18] <Deena> hi Mike, all, we are talking with Andrew
Gallix about beginning his magazine online, 3 am.
[21:18] <Mike_Byrne> Bon Soir, Nicki
[21:18] <Helen_W> 3 am has gone from strength to strength
since
[21:18] <Mike_Byrne> Bon Soir touslemonde
[21:18] <Andrew_Gallix> Bonsoir Mike
[21:19] <Andrew_Gallix> Thanks Helen
[21:19] <Mike_Byrne> Bonsoir, Andrew
[21:19] <Helen_W> did that take a lot of work or did it
just happen (because of the quality perhaps word can spread))
[21:19] <Andrew_Gallix> No, it took a lot of work!
[21:20] <Helen_W> :)
[21:20] <cahoots> is it self sufficient - or do you do
other things as well to make a living?
[21:20] <Andrew_Gallix> No, I haven't made a single penny,
let alone a euro, out of it
[21:20] <Sue_Thomas> Andrew can you say something about
the spread of nationalities you write about - are they mostly
US, would you say, or not?
[21:21] <Andrew_Gallix> I teach at the Sorbonne University,
hence the conference
[21:21] <Deena> Who are you trying to reach with 3 am?
and the conference internationale litterature et internet?
[21:21] <Helen_W> It must be a lot of work keeping such
a sophisticated mag up to date
[21:21] <Andrew_Gallix> No, in our news and interviews
it's mainly English
[21:22] <Carrie_McMillan> how did/do you promote 3am Andrew?
[21:22] <Karen_King> I've got to go now. Nice to meet
you Andrew. Au revoir!
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[21:22] <Sue_Thomas> is there much of a webwriting scene
in France?
[21:22] <Andrew_Gallix> With 3am, we're trying to reach
as wide an audience as possible by publishing quality fiction
with a contemporary feel
[21:22] <Andrew_Gallix> See you
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[21:23] <Deena> The conference sounds very interesting...International
Conference on Literature & the Internet:
[21:23] <Deena> New Forms of Electronic Writing
[21:23] <Deena> Colloque International Litterature et
Internet:
[21:23] <Deena> Nouvelles Formes d'Ecriture Electronique
[21:23] <Deena> 15-16th March 2002
[21:23] <Andrew_Gallix> There are quite a few webzines
in France, including 3 in English, here in Paris
[21:23] <Mike> Karen King wasn't she in the Carpenters
?
[21:23] <Ev> Is the CALL FOR PAPERS still open?
[21:23] <Helen_W> but a webzine with traditional articles
and essays is not the same as writing specifically for the Web....
[21:23] <Mike> excuse moi.
[21:23] <Andrew_Gallix> There's also a novelist called
Karen King
[21:23] <Mike> je vous en prie
[21:24] <Kate_Pullinger> And of course the little know
Stephen King
[21:24] <Deena> how will the conference tie into webwriting
in France?
[21:24] <Kate_Pullinger> little known I meant
[21:24] <Kate_Pullinger> Oh dear
[21:24] <Andrew_Gallix> No, but we're going to branch
out into web-based fiction
[21:24] * Sue_Thomas smiles at Kate!
[21:24] <Helen_W> That's great! Can we submit work for
consideration or will it be commission only?
[21:24] <Carrie_McMillan> but a webzine has the beauty
of fast responses to what you've written, fast pace
[21:24] <Mike> What do you teach at the Sorbonne, Andrew?
[21:25] <Andrew_Gallix> No, you can submit
[21:25] <Andrew_Gallix> Mainly translation, bit of lit
[21:25] <Kate_Pullinger> Good to meet everybody. I'll
be back.
[21:25] * Mike nods
[21:25] <Andrew_Gallix> CU
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[21:26] <Helen_W> When is the deadline for receiving papers
for the Colloque?
[21:26] <Andrew_Gallix> February
[21:26] <Deena> What kind of subjects are you looking
for?
[21:26] <Andrew_Gallix> We're leaving open as long as
possible
[21:26] <Deena> Call for papers
[21:26] <Deena> We are pleased to invite proposals for
the Sorbonne's first International Conference on Literature
& the
[21:26] <Deena> Internet. We aim to focus on all forms
of electronic writing from webzines and e-books to new forms
of
[21:26] <Deena> web-based fiction.
[21:26] <Deena> Possible topics:
[21:26] <Deena> E-books and their impact on the publishing
world
[21:26] <Deena> Hypertext and the redefinition of the
reader's role
[21:26] <Deena> The death of the author? Interactive and
collaborative fiction on the Internet
[21:26] <Deena> Beyond hypertext: the future of web-based
fiction
[21:26] <Deena> The emergence of new literary genres on
the Internet
[21:26] <Deena> Is the Internet blurring the boundaries
between the art and literary worlds?
[21:26] <Deena> Design writing and the post-literary scene
[21:26] <Deena> The Internet and the rival tradition
[21:26] <Deena> A round-up of literary and academic webzines
[21:26] <Deena> The impact of the Internet on literary
criticism
[21:26] <Deena> Round tables with Internet writers
[21:26] <Deena> Copyright issues and other legal matters
[21:26] <Deena> The Internet and globalization: the political
and economic consequences of the digital revolution
[21:26] <Deena> Teaching literature / writing on the Internet,
online universities
[21:26] <Andrew_Gallix> Anything related to literature
on the Internet
[21:27] <Deena> Who are you trying to reach with this
conference?
[21:27] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes...all that
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[21:28] <Andrew_Gallix> Well, we'll probably reach the
usual audience of students & scholars
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[21:28] <Helen_W> writers of web works? academics and
critics? print writers?
[21:28] <Andrew_Gallix> And the expatriate community,
no doubt
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[21:28] <cahoots> will papers be published online after
the conference?
[21:28] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, all of those, hopefully
[21:28] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, and in a book
[21:28] <griff> good day, all
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[21:28] <Deena> Is this conference working in tandem with
other conferences slated, such as HyperText02
in June, Incubation
(trace) in July, ELO
symposium in April, ISEA
in October?
[21:28] <Andrew_Gallix> Hiya
[21:29] <cahoots> hi griff
[21:29] <Margaret_Penfold> Hi Peter
[21:29] <griff> good day, all
[21:29] <Andrew_Gallix> Who's going to ELO?
[21:29] <Deena> Hi Griff, we are talking with Andrew Gallix
about his upcoming conference, literature et internet
[21:29] <Sue_Thomas> moi
[21:29] <Sue_Thomas> hi peter
[21:29] <Deena> I am as well..
[21:29] * Nicki thinks of differences in meaning of word "slated"
[21:29] <Sue_Thomas> are you going to ELO Andrew?
[21:29] * griff waves to Margaret
[21:29] * Deena hands round slates to write notes
[21:29] <Sue_Thomas> Helen, Kate and myself are going
[21:29] <Andrew_Gallix> No...
[21:30] <Andrew_Gallix> What are you going to talk about?
[21:30] <Margaret_Penfold> I don't think so
[21:30] <Andrew_Gallix> Mmmh
[21:30] <griff> thanks for the update, Deena. hi sue
[21:30] <Sue_Thomas> several topics inc. webwriting in
academia
[21:30] <Deena> This sounds like a great idea, to expand
the notion of literature and the internet. How did you come
up with the plan for the conference?
[21:30] * Helen_W smiles at Nicki
[21:31] <Deena> ELO is more focused on literature that
can only be read online...or on a computer...new media stuff...
[21:31] <Andrew_Gallix> Nobody had yet organised a conference
on this subject at the Sorbonne
[21:31] <Margaret_Penfold> I must be off. Bye everyone
[21:31] <Andrew_Gallix> Byeee
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[21:31] * Deena hands out banners congratulating Andrew on starting
a wonderful Sorbonne tradition...
[21:31] <Andrew_Gallix> Thanks (he gloated)
[21:32] <cahoots> have you had a good response so far
to the call for papers?
[21:32] <Carrie_McMillan> better go too. Cheers everyone!
[21:32] <Andrew_Gallix> Hopefully it won't be a one-off
[21:32] <Helen_W> Have you got any definite speakers yet
to whet our appetites?
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[21:32] <Andrew_Gallix> Tom Bradley, the US novelist
[21:33] <Andrew_Gallix> Andy Campbell (Digital Fiction
site, UK
[21:33] <Andrew_Gallix> Dusan Velickovic from serbia
[21:33] <Deena> Have you worked with the oulipo and other
French hypertext/literature potentialles groups in France?
[21:33] <Helen_W> sounds interestingly varied
[21:34] <Deena> .Applauds the lineup
[21:34] <Andrew_Gallix> Wendy Perkins from the US,Jason
Nelson, US...
[21:34] <Andrew_Gallix> Jesse Glass from Japan
[21:34] <Andrew_Gallix> Michela Ledwige
[21:34] <Andrew_Gallix> Miranda Mowbray
[21:34] <Andrew_Gallix> Sue Thomas
[21:34] <Andrew_Gallix> :-)
[21:35] <Andrew_Gallix> Adrienne Eisen
[21:35] <Sue_Thomas> Miranda will be fun
[21:35] <Sue_Thomas> Adrienne? great!
[21:35] <Sue_Thomas> Adrienne is great fun too
[21:35] <Andrew_Gallix> Will she? Look forward to that
[21:35] <Sue_Thomas> Oh she is very risque :)
[21:35] <Sue_Thomas> I like her a lot
[21:35] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, Adriene seems very interesting
[21:35] <cahoots> sounds like a really good mix
[21:36] <Andrew_Gallix> There's going to be a German contingent
too for some reason
[21:36] <Sue_Thomas> She is rather full on - and so is
miranda - so you have a strong female contingent there!
[21:36] <Deena> Terrific. Hope folks like Reiner Strasser
can make it.
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[21:36] * cahoots wonders if the female contingent will meet
the German contingent head on
[21:36] <Andrew_Gallix> Ahhh strong women
[21:36] <Andrew_Gallix> We could organise a football match
[21:37] *** Mike_Byrne is now known as Mike
[21:37] <Helen_W> only if it's virtual :)
[21:37] <Sue_Thomas> pourquoi?
[21:37] <Mike> I play football
[21:37] <Andrew_Gallix> Virtually?
[21:37] <Mike> Andrew can anyone go to this conference
? No really
[21:37] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, of course
[21:38] <Andrew_Gallix> Are you coming Mike?
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[21:38] <Deena> Will there be an online component for
us overseas folks?
[21:38] <Andrew_Gallix> What? Do you mean live? That would
be a good idea
[21:39] <Andrew_Gallix> Is it feasible Sue?
[21:39] <Mike> I'd have to look at the info again.
[21:39] <Helen_W> a chat perhaps.....
[21:39] <Feathers> webcams
[21:39] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, that would be something
[21:39] <Helen_W> When will costs and registration be
available for the conference Andrew?
[21:39] <Deena> Yeah, or an asynchronous bulletin system
s we can enter questions of speakers, others
[21:39] <Sue_Thomas> Andrew we will have to look at the
tech you have available
[21:39] <Andrew_Gallix> There are no costs
[21:40] <Nicki> no costs?
[21:40] * Nicki wakes up
[21:40] <Deena> and have something to archive on trace
[21:40] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes Sue
[21:40] <Mike> Paris wasn't on my list this year. Andrew
but I can be flexible
[21:40] <Sue_Thomas> we are going to discuss a live chat
with Alan Sondheim I think, when I come next week
[21:40] <Deena> wow, that is great.
[21:40] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes
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[21:40] <cahoots> hello?
[21:40] <Andrew_Gallix> Hello!
[21:41] <Helen_W> welcome back cahoots
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[21:41] <Andrew_Gallix> Bye bye
[21:41] <cahoots> sorry - I seem to be having all sorts
of problems tonight
[21:41] <Andrew_Gallix> Aren't we all?!
[21:41] <Deena> Hi again cahoots. Now we are talking about
the possibility of an online component to the conference literature
et internet
[21:41] <cahoots> oh - brilliant
[21:41] <Mike> I can come for a football game
[21:41] <Andrew_Gallix> Please do
[21:41] <Helen_W> Presumably travel and accommodation
will still need to be paid for -- is there accommodation at
the Sorbonne or will attendees need Paris hotels?
[21:41] <Sue_Thomas> Deena it all depends on what is available
there
[21:41] <Nicki> does table football count?
[21:41] <Ev> Hello Andrew, that was a doppleganger leaving
(Everdeen Tree>Everdeen>Ev)
[21:42] <Mike> five a side, no Nicki real football
[21:42] <Andrew_Gallix> Table football? Definitely
[21:42] <Mike> real bone crunching grasseating
[21:42] <Andrew_Gallix> No, people will have to rely on
hotels
[21:42] <Feathers> stop it mike, you're turning me on
[21:42] <Helen_W> well there are plenty to choose from!
[21:42] <Sue_Thomas> I used to be good at table football
when I was at art college
[21:42] * Deena kicks round online footballs to all
[21:42] <Sue_Thomas> it was THE game
[21:42] <Mike> I'd better stop then
[21:42] <Nicki> no spinning allowed, though
[21:42] <Mike> Feathers
[21:43] <Nicki> in table football that is
[21:43] <Sue_Thomas> not sure how you play it in French
[21:43] <Andrew_Gallix> No spinning? That's not table
football then
[21:43] <Mike> I don't want to turn anyone on tonight
[21:43] <Nicki> pure skill, sensitivity and wrist ...
[21:43] <Deena> What results are you hoping for with this
conference?
[21:43] <Helen_W> I think everyone who can should get
on Eurostar/transatlantic flights and see Paris in the Springtime!
[21:43] <Mike> I've got a headache
[21:43] <Nicki> I don't want to turn anyone on either
[21:43] <Sue_Thomas> so Andrew can you tell everyone a
bit more about the cost of the colloque?
[21:43] <Andrew_Gallix> You've been spinning too much
Mike
[21:44] <Mike> j'ai mal a la tete
[21:44] <Mike> oui c'
[21:44] <Andrew_Gallix> :-)
[21:44] <Mike> est ca
[21:44] <Andrew_Gallix> what costs?
[21:44] <Nicki> we're all amazed at no costs
[21:44] <Mike> I wouldn't worry about it , Nicki ...ahem
[21:44] <Sue_Thomas> well, you say there is no registration
fee
[21:45] <Andrew_Gallix> No, that's right
[21:45] <cahoots> I'm sorry, I missed that - did you say
it's free?
[21:45] <Sue_Thomas> will there be food?
[21:45] <Sue_Thomas> how will ppl eat at lunchtime for
example?
[21:45] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes it's free. There'll be food
and lots of booze
[21:45] <cahoots> dates, dates, give me dates
[21:45] <Nicki> free booze?
[21:45] <Andrew_Gallix> Plus table football
[21:45] <Mike> this is interesting...
[21:45] <Andrew_Gallix> Free booze
[21:45] <Nicki> and table football!
[21:45] * griff perks up
[21:46] <Sue_Thomas> and will you be able to recommend
places for ppl to stay or will they have to arrange that themselves?
[21:46] <Andrew_Gallix> and table football!
[21:46] <cahoots> do you have to play table football before
drinking?
[21:46] <Andrew_Gallix> I can suggest various places
[21:46] <Andrew_Gallix> No, after drinking
[21:46] <Sue_Thomas> sounds good to me!
[21:46] * Helen_W looks at diary for march
[21:46] <Andrew_Gallix> What the table football?
[21:47] <Sue_Thomas> all of it :)
[21:47] * Deena thinks real Parisian food might be better than
the online version...
[21:47] <Andrew_Gallix> That's because you're going to
beat us all, Sue!
[21:47] <Sue_Thomas> ha!
[21:47] <Sue_Thomas> does Francois play table football?
[21:47] <Andrew_Gallix> I shouldn't think so! But you
might be able to tempt him
[21:47] * Helen_W fondly remembers the most wonderful chocolate
mousse in the whole world in Paris many years ago
[21:47] <Nicki> is anyone offering a paper yet on table
football?
[21:47] * cahoots would only be capable of playing table football
after much wine
[21:47] <Sue_Thomas> ok, put it on the agenda
[21:48] <Sue_Thomas> nicki why don't you offer a paper
on the Sims?
[21:48] <Andrew_Gallix> Nicki you can come & talk
about it
[21:48] * griff is planning to ask someone what this table football
is all about
[21:48] <Andrew_Gallix> Don't ask!
[21:48] <Nicki> The Sims - now I bet they play table football
[21:48] <Sue_Thomas> don't they have it in India?
[21:48] <cahoots> to griff - I find nodding and smiling
a lot helps
[21:48] <Sue_Thomas> Peter it
[21:48] <Sue_Thomas> s obvious - you play football on
a table
[21:49] * Mike will have to find out how to do a paper
[21:49] <griff> er, one presumes you need rather large,
sturdy tables, or am I missing something?
[21:49] <Deena> Have you gotten many papers so far?
[21:49] <Nicki> at least you don't need studs in your
boots
[21:49] <Mike> what's that in English? a paper?
[21:49] * Deena hands out paper thin tables guaranteed to hold
up under any football match
[21:50] <Andrew_Gallix> About 23 papers
[21:50] <Feathers> peter, a very small ball, with little
plastic players that you manipulate on rods
[21:50] <Mike> the Sunday times
[21:50] <Nicki> a proposal instead of paper, perhaps
[21:50] <Sue_Thomas> Peter do you really not have that
in India? Maybe you have table cricket instead?
[21:50] <cahoots> is there a website with relevant info
on this?
[21:50] <griff> ah, those! yes, I've seen that.
[21:50] <Feathers> the Canadian equivalent of table football
is called air hockey
[21:50] <Helen_W> hey hey -- did you know it's now called
foosball?
[21:50] <cahoots> ER, on the conference, rather than table
football
[21:51] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes there is one
[21:51] * cahoots sighs and rolls her eyes, Helen, do keep up,
that was years ago
[21:51] * Mike to self
[21:51] <Andrew_Gallix> Can someone give the url again?
[21:51] <Mike> they don't believe that I don't know what
a paper is
[21:51] <Deena> http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/events/sorbonne/
[21:51] * cahoots prepares to catch the url, thereby avoiding
an own goal
[21:51] <Nicki> I believe you Mike
[21:51] <Andrew_Gallix> thanks
[21:51] <cahoots> thnx
[21:52] <griff> we once made up a game called foosball...
played on a carrom board with a table tennis ball. and you're
only allowed to blow the ball
[21:52] <Mike> thanks Nicki
[21:52] <Sue_Thomas> Andrew next week we must talk about
putting some tourist info on the website
[21:52] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, that would be a good idea
[21:52] <Mike> I can find out anyway I'm sure its not
beyond my capacity
[21:52] <Mike> Paris is in Europe
[21:52] <Andrew_Gallix> Who knows Mike?
[21:52] <Mike> Europe is in Asia.
[21:53] * Helen_W has never played table football (or foosball)
[21:53] <Andrew_Gallix> And vice versa
[21:53] <Feathers> if it's about writing for new media,
why do you call them "papers"?
[21:53] <Mike> Asia is that big hen shaped continent ...
[21:53] <Andrew_Gallix> Because we're old-fashioned
[21:53] <Nicki> I like the idea of doing something on
The Sims but can't see how it fits
[21:53] <cahoots> I suppose because it's a familiar term
- people like them
[21:53] <Nicki> but table football fits perfectly
[21:53] <Deena> Good point--why are there never any new
media works on new media and literature in the internet in these
conferences?
[21:53] * griff thinks fethars has a point
[21:53] <Andrew_Gallix> There will be some
[21:54] <Andrew_Gallix> There will be quite a lot in fact
[21:54] <Andrew_Gallix> Almost all of them so far
[21:54] <Mike> Thnks, Andrew
[21:54] <Feathers> maybe we also need a new vocabulary
[21:54] <Deena> Nicki--how has the sims game changed the
internet? How has writing about sims on the net changed the
game? what attitudes and trends do you see with sims and the
internet?
[21:54] * griff swears at his keyboard and apologises to Feathers
[21:54] <Helen_W> the number of internet conferences I've
been to with no internet access -- demoing online courses without
access to online.....it's a strange world!
[21:54] * Ev nods in agreement with Helen
[21:54] <Mike> what's the Sims ?
[21:54] <Mike> Simpsons ?
[21:54] <Nicki> Yeah - but it's not literature
[21:54] * Ev would admit to playing foosball in the 70's......
[21:54] * Ev laughs
[21:54] <Nicki> But it could be a "new literature"
[21:54] <Nicki> What is literature after all>
[21:54] * Deena won't admit to playing...but has anyway
[21:54] <cahoots> to mike - computer game
[21:54] <Helen_W> For Incubation we have avoided the word
"papers" altogether (proudly)
[21:55] <Mike> ah
[21:55] <Deena> are there any papers on games as lit yet?
[21:55] <Sue_Thomas> we also avoided the word literature
:)
[21:55] <Andrew_Gallix> What word do you use?
[21:55] <Nicki> games as lit? - that interests me
[21:55] <Mike> a paper on the Simpsons would be good (
if I knew what a paper was )
[21:55] <Nicki> games as life - that interests me
[21:55] <Andrew_Gallix> Do you use any words?
[21:55] <Andrew_Gallix> Life as games, that's me
[21:55] <cahoots> me too. did anyone follow The Trail
leading up to AI film?
[21:56] <griff> i once did a presentation on why computer
games should be allowed in the office environment.... this was
long ago, before the things became ubiquitous
[21:56] <Sue_Thomas> AI? worst film this year
[21:56] <Sue_Thomas> what a load of *********
[21:56] <Deena> probably a good idea. But does literature
imply just linear works, or can it encompass much more?
[21:56] <cahoots> absolutely agree, sue, but the marketing
was fantastic
[21:56] <Mike> they're making a game of Lord of the Rings
?
[21:56] * Ev sweeps up all the discarded words and puts their
letters in the recycle bin
[21:56] <Helen_W> OK, we're running out of official time
here -- you can carry on chatting, but would Andrew like to
make a closing statement? (Come to the Colloque!?)
[21:56] * cahoots apologises - she used to work for an advertising
agency
[21:56] <Sue_Thomas> cahoots - yes I saw the website but
didn't have time to do it
[21:56] <Mike> the game of the film of the book
[21:57] <Deena> Thanks so much for joining us Andrew and
talking about 3 am and the upcoming conference. I hope we can
tie all these terrific events and happenings together :)
[21:57] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes: come to the colloque to play
table football and drink free booze
[21:57] * griff looks sympathetically at cahoots. Me too
[21:57] <Helen_W> :)
[21:57] * Nicki cheers
[21:57] * cahoots grins at griff
[21:57] <Sue_Thomas> thanks Andrew - very enlighten ing!
[21:57] <Andrew_Gallix> Who's coming then?
[21:58] <Andrew_Gallix> I'm like that, Me
[21:58] <Sue_Thomas> well, Me, obviously
[21:58] <Mike> I'll have to consult my psychic
[21:58] <Andrew_Gallix> Obviously
[21:58] * Ev smiles....thinks "priceline.com priceline.com"
[21:58] <cahoots> I'll have to check my bank balance and
visa acceptability, but yes, I'd love to come. It sounds really
interesting
[21:58] <Andrew_Gallix> Me too
[21:58] <Mike> but Paris ..tempting.
[21:58] * Nicki wants to seriously think about it now and promises
not to be a football lout
[21:58] <Sue_Thomas> there is a cheap offer in the UK
atm - 2 eurostar tickets for 90 quid
[21:58] <Feathers> online access would be the next best
thing
[21:58] <Helen_W> I would like to congratulate Andrew
on not only coping with chat as a newbie but becoming a complete
hand by the end :)
[21:58] <Sue_Thomas> yes well done!
[21:58] <Andrew_Gallix> Thanks Helen
[21:58] <Deena> Yes, please think about tying in a live
chat or bulletin board or something...
[21:58] <Andrew_Gallix> Thanks Sue
[21:58] * cahoots applauds Andrew
[21:59] <Deena> Good night all
[21:59] * Nicki does more cheering
[21:59] <Andrew_Gallix> Thanks Cahoots
[21:59] *** Deena has left #trace
[21:59] <cahoots> oh, great site by the way - I've been
browsing through it while chatting
[21:59] <Mike> night
[21:59] <Andrew_Gallix> Bye Deena
[21:59] <Ev> merci Andrew
[21:59] <Sue_Thomas> Night all - I must go too
[21:59] <Sue_Thomas> a bientot Andrew
[21:59] <Nicki> Thanks Andrew
[21:59] <Andrew_Gallix> De rien
[21:59] <griff> bye Sue
[21:59] <Mike> aurevoir
[21:59] <Andrew_Gallix> A bientot
[21:59] <Feathers> a la prochaine, Andrew, et bonne chance
[21:59] <Mike> a bientot
[21:59] <Nicki> and thanks for being so open to football
suggestions too
[21:59] <Sue_Thomas> bye all
[21:59] <Andrew_Gallix> Take care Feathers
[21:59] <Mike> bye Sue
[21:59] *** Sue_Thomas has quit IRC (QUIT: )
[21:59] <cahoots> confuses all by saying goodbye in a
completely different language "tot siens"
[22:00] *** Feathers has quit IRC (QUIT: )
[22:00] <Mike> tot strachs
[22:00] <Helen_W> Thanks for coming Andrew, it's been
really entertaining!
[22:00] * cahoots exits to check her bank balance
[22:00] <griff> Helen did you manage to download dupeless?
[22:00] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes it was fun talking about table
football
[22:00] * Nicki smiles
[22:00] *** cahoots has left #trace
[22:00] <Helen_W> ah, yes Peter, thank you for that! It
seems to work very well :)
[22:00] * Ev sings "and another one bites the dust!"
[22:01] * Ev winks...meaning one of Me!
[22:01] <Andrew_Gallix> Thanks all of you. I hope to meet
you in the three dimensional world some time. Cheers
[22:01] *** Ev has quit IRC (QUIT: )
[22:01] <Nicki> Thanks again Andrew - maybe I will get
there. Who knows?
[22:01] <griff> yes, it's brought order to my hard disc!
[22:01] <Mike> Ev I got my assignment done
[22:01] <Everdeen> Hooray Mike!
[22:01] <Andrew_Gallix> Hope to see you there Nicki
[22:01] * Everdeen online if not else, Andrew
[22:01] <Mike> why is everybody flying off jees yeh thanks
ev
[22:01] <Everdeen> bye all!
[22:01] <Nicki> See you everyone
[22:01] *** Everdeen has quit IRC (QUIT: )[22:06]
<griff> think I should get off too. Meeting tomorrow,
and it's 3.30 a.m. now. g'night Helen, Andrew, Mike
[22:06] <Mike> night Griff
[22:06] <Helen_W> Well, I'm afraid I have to go too! Bye
all!
[22:06] <Andrew_Gallix> CU. I'm off too. Bye
[22:06] *** Andrew_Gallix has left #trace
Session
Close: Sun Jan 20 22:06:40 2002
