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Chat Transcript: January 20th 2002
Andrew Gallix: Sorbonne conference & 3ammagazine

Sunday January 20th (in LinguaMOO)
This transcript produced by Helen Whitehead

Straight to log missing introduction

Andrew Gallix is editor of 3am magazine and is organising the International Conference on Literature & the Internet: New Forms of Electronic Writing (Colloque International Litterature et Internet: Nouvelles Formes d'Ecriture Electronique) at the Sorbonne, 15-16th March 2002 (in collaboration with trAce). Find out more about the conference and 3am. Follow any of the links below to find out more about literature and the internet.

--Session Start: Sun Jan 20 21:02:13 2002

[21:02] *** Topic is ' 20th January Andrew Gallix: Sorbonne conference 3ammagazine'
[21:02] *** Set by Helen_Whitehead on Tue Jan 15 13:05:37
[21:02] <Margaret_Penfold> Yes, my fault I am sure about email address
[21:02] *** Everdeen_Tree has joined #trace
[21:02] <Feathers> but i had the graphics trouble with it the other day
[21:02] <Margaret_Penfold> Hi Nicki, Hi Everdeen
[21:02] <Nicki> Hi Margaret, hi everyone
[21:02] *** log is now known as Helen_W
[21:03] <Everdeen_Tree> Hello all
[21:03] *** Everdeen_Tree is now known as Ev
[21:03] <Nicki> brb
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[21:03] * cahoots blinks at ev to see what shape she is now
[21:03] <Helen_W> Hi folks. Andrew is having trouble getting here. Either talk amongst yourselves or have a look at http://www.3ammagazine.com
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[21:03] <Margaret_Penfold> Hi Andrew
[21:03] <cahoots> hi Andrew
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[21:03] <Helen_W> Hi Andrew - can you see us yet?
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[21:03] <Feathers> bienvenue, Andrew
[21:04] <Everdeen_Tree> .Nick Ev
[21:04] <Andrew_Gallix> Hi there
[21:04] <Deena> Has anyone signed up for the conference?
[21:04] *** Everdeen_Tree is now known as Ev
[21:04] <Ev> Hello Andrew
[21:04] <Helen_W> Hey success! That's great Andrew, you're really here! Is this your first time in chat?
[21:04] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, I'm here now
[21:04] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes it is. Can you tell?
[21:05] * cahoots wonders if the poor man knows what he's let himself in for
[21:05] <Helen_W> Hi Ev, Karen, Nicki, Margaret, Deena, Feathers and Ev!
[21:05] <Helen_W> You're doing fine!
[21:05] <Andrew_Gallix> Cheers
[21:05] <Helen_W> Welcome to the world of instant text communication
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[21:05] <Helen_W> Well, car wasn't here long!
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[21:05] * Ev smiles at Andrew from Houston, Texas.
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[21:06] * Nicki repositions herself in situ
[21:06] <Deena> "hands round large glasses of the best French wines
[21:06] <Helen_W> Yes, would everyone like to say where they are to give Andrew a feel for his audience?
[21:06] <Margaret_Penfold> Andrew, do you live in France?
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[21:06] * Pauline_Masurel_SK greets guest speaker and all assembled.
[21:06] *** Pauline_Masurel_SK is now known as Mazzy
[21:06] * cahoots waves and grins from London, UK
[21:06] <Andrew_Gallix> Don't mention wine, I'm still hung over from last night!
[21:06] <Helen_W> Hi Carrie (do stay!) and Mazzy
[21:06] <Helen_W> (stya = stay)
[21:06] <Deena> Handing round great fresh French bread from Denver Colorado
[21:07] <Carrie_McMillan> had some trouble getting here...
[21:07] * Margaret_Penfold sends signals from Leicester UK
[21:07] * Nicki waves from Nottingham, UK
[21:07] * cahoots hands Andrew a large glass of wine, "you need hair of the dog, mate"
[21:07] * Mazzy is in Berkshire, UK
[21:07] <Andrew_Gallix> I know!
[21:07] <Feathers> bonjour de Montreal
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[21:07] <Karen_King> Karen King is in Cornwall, England
[21:07] <Andrew_Gallix> Salut, Ca va?
[21:07] <Karen_King> Hello Kate
[21:07] <Feathers> bien, et vous?
[21:07] <Karen_King> You'd think we'd all had enough of chat wouldn't you Kate?
[21:08] <Andrew_Gallix> Tr*s bien merci. Que faites vous * Montr*al?
[21:08] <Helen_W> Andrew is trying it for the first time....
[21:08] <Karen_King> Tres bien, Andrew
[21:08] <Kate_Pullinger> I haven't been here before myself.
[21:08] <Feathers> I write user documentation for computer software
[21:08] <Andrew_Gallix> Interesting.
[21:08] <Helen_W> Everyone here is interested in online writing of one form or another
[21:09] <Helen_W> from help to hypertext :)
[21:09] <Andrew_Gallix> :-)
[21:09] <Helen_W> When did you first become interested in writing on the Net Andrew?
[21:09] <Andrew_Gallix> When I started trying to get my stories published
[21:09] <Deena> @URL http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/events/sorbonne/
[21:10] <Deena> :Is looking at the conference announcement at http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/events/sorbonne/
[21:10] <Helen_W> Fiction? or journalism?
[21:10] <Andrew_Gallix> Fiction
[21:10] * Helen_W nods at Deena
[21:10] <Andrew_Gallix> ?
[21:11] <Margaret_Penfold> I'm not risking leaving trace to look for URLs I always get chucked off
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[21:11] <Carrie_McMillan> Andrew, what was your experience of trying to get published?
[21:11] <Karen_King> Hello Sure
[21:11] <Ev> Is the Call for Papers still open? I don't see a deadline on the announcement.
[21:11] <Deena> hands Margaret a life preserver made of electrons and fine French cheeses
[21:11] <Nicki> I'm looking at URLs in Netscape while here through I.E.
[21:11] <Margaret_Penfold> Andrew do you write stories in French or English or both
[21:11] <Helen_W> I should probably introduce Andrew -- He is organising the Colloque International Litterature et Internet: Nouvelles Formes d'Ecriture Electronique in March at the Sorbonne and is editor of 3ammagazine and online mag
[21:12] <Kate_Pullinger> Can you send private messages in this chat?
[21:12] <Andrew_Gallix> English
[21:12] <Ev> Kate - re private messages yes, but it's tricky and you may get chucked out the first time
[21:12] <Helen_W> Is all of this part of your job, Andrew, or do you do something else to make a living?
[21:12] <Sue_Thomas> Hi Andrew - sorry I'm late everyone
[21:12] <Andrew_Gallix> Hi Sue
[21:13] <Kate_Pullinger> Hi Sue. Is 'Ev' Everdeen?
[21:13] * Ev nods yes and polishes "Everdeen" badge.
[21:13] <Kate_Pullinger> Hallooo!
[21:13] <Helen_W> Hi Sue -- Andrew is a newbie in chat so we oldies will have to cut him some slack!
[21:13] <Deena> Says hi to sue and all newcomers and hands round more chocolates
[21:14] * Ev smiles back
[21:14] <Sue_Thomas> ok Helen !
[21:14] <Sue_Thomas> Sorry to interrupt- do carry on
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[21:14] * Nicki thinks Sue neatly sidestepped the oldie comment
[21:14] * Ev writes on the chalkboard: "To Do Actions: Type /me and then the action"
[21:14] * Karen_King takes a chocolate
[21:15] * Carrie_McMillan hangs on tighter seeing Helen getting chucked off
[21:15] <Helen_W> Andrew, did you start the mag to publish your own stories?
[21:15] * Kate_Pullinger gives it a go.
[21:15] <Andrew_Gallix> No, I don't use it as a vehicle for my stuff
[21:16] <Andrew_Gallix> That would be cheating
[21:16] <Sue_Thomas> It's very nicely designed - who does that part of it?
[21:16] <Helen_W> A fine honourable attitude
[21:16] * cahoots applauds Andrew's ethics
[21:16] <Andrew_Gallix> Jim, a Canadian
[21:16] <Helen_W> Why did you start it up?
[21:16] <Kate_Pullinger> Is this a private message?
[21:16] <Sue_Thomas> Jim who?
[21:16] <Karen_King> No Kate
[21:16] <cahoots> to Kate, no
[21:16] <Helen_W> Was it just you or was there a team involved at the start
[21:17] <Andrew_Gallix> There already was a site launched by Kenny Wilson, a young American
[21:17] <Andrew_Gallix> Jim Martin is our webmaster
[21:17] <Deena> Shares the URL for 3 am magazine for later perusal: http://www.3ammagazine.com/
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[21:17] <Sue_Thomas> ok, thanks Andrew
[21:17] <Karen_King> Thanks Deena
[21:17] <Andrew_Gallix> You're welcome
[21:17] <Helen_W> And you joined the team, Andrew?
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[21:18] <Andrew_Gallix> No, I sent Kenny a story. He posted it & I suggested turning his site into a webzine
[21:18] <Nicki> Hi Mike
[21:18] <Deena> hi Mike, all, we are talking with Andrew Gallix about beginning his magazine online, 3 am.
[21:18] <Mike_Byrne> Bon Soir, Nicki
[21:18] <Helen_W> 3 am has gone from strength to strength since
[21:18] <Mike_Byrne> Bon Soir touslemonde
[21:18] <Andrew_Gallix> Bonsoir Mike
[21:19] <Andrew_Gallix> Thanks Helen
[21:19] <Mike_Byrne> Bonsoir, Andrew
[21:19] <Helen_W> did that take a lot of work or did it just happen (because of the quality perhaps word can spread))
[21:19] <Andrew_Gallix> No, it took a lot of work!
[21:20] <Helen_W> :)
[21:20] <cahoots> is it self sufficient - or do you do other things as well to make a living?
[21:20] <Andrew_Gallix> No, I haven't made a single penny, let alone a euro, out of it
[21:20] <Sue_Thomas> Andrew can you say something about the spread of nationalities you write about - are they mostly US, would you say, or not?
[21:21] <Andrew_Gallix> I teach at the Sorbonne University, hence the conference
[21:21] <Deena> Who are you trying to reach with 3 am? and the conference internationale litterature et internet?
[21:21] <Helen_W> It must be a lot of work keeping such a sophisticated mag up to date
[21:21] <Andrew_Gallix> No, in our news and interviews it's mainly English
[21:22] <Carrie_McMillan> how did/do you promote 3am Andrew?
[21:22] <Karen_King> I've got to go now. Nice to meet you Andrew. Au revoir!
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[21:22] <Sue_Thomas> is there much of a webwriting scene in France?
[21:22] <Andrew_Gallix> With 3am, we're trying to reach as wide an audience as possible by publishing quality fiction with a contemporary feel
[21:22] <Andrew_Gallix> See you
[21:22] *** Mike_Byrne is now known as Mike
[21:23] <Deena> The conference sounds very interesting...International Conference on Literature & the Internet:
[21:23] <Deena> New Forms of Electronic Writing
[21:23] <Deena> Colloque International Litterature et Internet:
[21:23] <Deena> Nouvelles Formes d'Ecriture Electronique
[21:23] <Deena> 15-16th March 2002
[21:23] <Andrew_Gallix> There are quite a few webzines in France, including 3 in English, here in Paris
[21:23] <Mike> Karen King wasn't she in the Carpenters ?
[21:23] <Ev> Is the CALL FOR PAPERS still open?
[21:23] <Helen_W> but a webzine with traditional articles and essays is not the same as writing specifically for the Web....
[21:23] <Mike> excuse moi.
[21:23] <Andrew_Gallix> There's also a novelist called Karen King
[21:23] <Mike> je vous en prie
[21:24] <Kate_Pullinger> And of course the little know Stephen King
[21:24] <Deena> how will the conference tie into webwriting in France?
[21:24] <Kate_Pullinger> little known I meant
[21:24] <Kate_Pullinger> Oh dear
[21:24] <Andrew_Gallix> No, but we're going to branch out into web-based fiction
[21:24] * Sue_Thomas smiles at Kate!
[21:24] <Helen_W> That's great! Can we submit work for consideration or will it be commission only?
[21:24] <Carrie_McMillan> but a webzine has the beauty of fast responses to what you've written, fast pace
[21:24] <Mike> What do you teach at the Sorbonne, Andrew?
[21:25] <Andrew_Gallix> No, you can submit
[21:25] <Andrew_Gallix> Mainly translation, bit of lit
[21:25] <Kate_Pullinger> Good to meet everybody. I'll be back.
[21:25] * Mike nods
[21:25] <Andrew_Gallix> CU
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[21:26] <Helen_W> When is the deadline for receiving papers for the Colloque?
[21:26] <Andrew_Gallix> February
[21:26] <Deena> What kind of subjects are you looking for?
[21:26] <Andrew_Gallix> We're leaving open as long as possible
[21:26] <Deena> Call for papers
[21:26] <Deena> We are pleased to invite proposals for the Sorbonne's first International Conference on Literature & the
[21:26] <Deena> Internet. We aim to focus on all forms of electronic writing from webzines and e-books to new forms of
[21:26] <Deena> web-based fiction.
[21:26] <Deena> Possible topics:
[21:26] <Deena> E-books and their impact on the publishing world
[21:26] <Deena> Hypertext and the redefinition of the reader's role
[21:26] <Deena> The death of the author? Interactive and collaborative fiction on the Internet
[21:26] <Deena> Beyond hypertext: the future of web-based fiction
[21:26] <Deena> The emergence of new literary genres on the Internet
[21:26] <Deena> Is the Internet blurring the boundaries between the art and literary worlds?
[21:26] <Deena> Design writing and the post-literary scene
[21:26] <Deena> The Internet and the rival tradition
[21:26] <Deena> A round-up of literary and academic webzines
[21:26] <Deena> The impact of the Internet on literary criticism
[21:26] <Deena> Round tables with Internet writers
[21:26] <Deena> Copyright issues and other legal matters
[21:26] <Deena> The Internet and globalization: the political and economic consequences of the digital revolution
[21:26] <Deena> Teaching literature / writing on the Internet, online universities
[21:26] <Andrew_Gallix> Anything related to literature on the Internet
[21:27] <Deena> Who are you trying to reach with this conference?
[21:27] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes...all that
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[21:28] <Andrew_Gallix> Well, we'll probably reach the usual audience of students & scholars
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[21:28] <Helen_W> writers of web works? academics and critics? print writers?
[21:28] <Andrew_Gallix> And the expatriate community, no doubt
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[21:28] <cahoots> will papers be published online after the conference?
[21:28] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, all of those, hopefully
[21:28] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, and in a book
[21:28] <griff> good day, all
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[21:28] <Deena> Is this conference working in tandem with other conferences slated, such as HyperText02 in June, Incubation (trace) in July, ELO symposium in April, ISEA in October?
[21:28] <Andrew_Gallix> Hiya
[21:29] <cahoots> hi griff
[21:29] <Margaret_Penfold> Hi Peter
[21:29] <griff> good day, all
[21:29] <Andrew_Gallix> Who's going to ELO?
[21:29] <Deena> Hi Griff, we are talking with Andrew Gallix about his upcoming conference, literature et internet
[21:29] <Sue_Thomas> moi
[21:29] <Sue_Thomas> hi peter
[21:29] <Deena> I am as well..
[21:29] * Nicki thinks of differences in meaning of word "slated"
[21:29] <Sue_Thomas> are you going to ELO Andrew?
[21:29] * griff waves to Margaret
[21:29] * Deena hands round slates to write notes
[21:29] <Sue_Thomas> Helen, Kate and myself are going
[21:29] <Andrew_Gallix> No...
[21:30] <Andrew_Gallix> What are you going to talk about?
[21:30] <Margaret_Penfold> I don't think so
[21:30] <Andrew_Gallix> Mmmh
[21:30] <griff> thanks for the update, Deena. hi sue
[21:30] <Sue_Thomas> several topics inc. webwriting in academia
[21:30] <Deena> This sounds like a great idea, to expand the notion of literature and the internet. How did you come up with the plan for the conference?
[21:30] * Helen_W smiles at Nicki
[21:31] <Deena> ELO is more focused on literature that can only be read online...or on a computer...new media stuff...
[21:31] <Andrew_Gallix> Nobody had yet organised a conference on this subject at the Sorbonne
[21:31] <Margaret_Penfold> I must be off. Bye everyone
[21:31] <Andrew_Gallix> Byeee
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[21:31] * Deena hands out banners congratulating Andrew on starting a wonderful Sorbonne tradition...
[21:31] <Andrew_Gallix> Thanks (he gloated)
[21:32] <cahoots> have you had a good response so far to the call for papers?
[21:32] <Carrie_McMillan> better go too. Cheers everyone!
[21:32] <Andrew_Gallix> Hopefully it won't be a one-off
[21:32] <Helen_W> Have you got any definite speakers yet to whet our appetites?
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[21:32] <Andrew_Gallix> Tom Bradley, the US novelist
[21:33] <Andrew_Gallix> Andy Campbell (Digital Fiction site, UK
[21:33] <Andrew_Gallix> Dusan Velickovic from serbia
[21:33] <Deena> Have you worked with the oulipo and other French hypertext/literature potentialles groups in France?
[21:33] <Helen_W> sounds interestingly varied
[21:34] <Deena> .Applauds the lineup
[21:34] <Andrew_Gallix> Wendy Perkins from the US,Jason Nelson, US...
[21:34] <Andrew_Gallix> Jesse Glass from Japan
[21:34] <Andrew_Gallix> Michela Ledwige
[21:34] <Andrew_Gallix> Miranda Mowbray
[21:34] <Andrew_Gallix> Sue Thomas
[21:34] <Andrew_Gallix> :-)
[21:35] <Andrew_Gallix> Adrienne Eisen
[21:35] <Sue_Thomas> Miranda will be fun
[21:35] <Sue_Thomas> Adrienne? great!
[21:35] <Sue_Thomas> Adrienne is great fun too
[21:35] <Andrew_Gallix> Will she? Look forward to that
[21:35] <Sue_Thomas> Oh she is very risque :)
[21:35] <Sue_Thomas> I like her a lot
[21:35] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, Adriene seems very interesting
[21:35] <cahoots> sounds like a really good mix
[21:36] <Andrew_Gallix> There's going to be a German contingent too for some reason
[21:36] <Sue_Thomas> She is rather full on - and so is miranda - so you have a strong female contingent there!
[21:36] <Deena> Terrific. Hope folks like Reiner Strasser can make it.
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[21:36] * cahoots wonders if the female contingent will meet the German contingent head on
[21:36] <Andrew_Gallix> Ahhh strong women
[21:36] <Andrew_Gallix> We could organise a football match
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[21:37] <Helen_W> only if it's virtual :)
[21:37] <Sue_Thomas> pourquoi?
[21:37] <Mike> I play football
[21:37] <Andrew_Gallix> Virtually?
[21:37] <Mike> Andrew can anyone go to this conference ? No really
[21:37] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, of course
[21:38] <Andrew_Gallix> Are you coming Mike?
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[21:38] <Deena> Will there be an online component for us overseas folks?
[21:38] <Andrew_Gallix> What? Do you mean live? That would be a good idea
[21:39] <Andrew_Gallix> Is it feasible Sue?
[21:39] <Mike> I'd have to look at the info again.
[21:39] <Helen_W> a chat perhaps.....
[21:39] <Feathers> webcams
[21:39] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, that would be something
[21:39] <Helen_W> When will costs and registration be available for the conference Andrew?
[21:39] <Deena> Yeah, or an asynchronous bulletin system s we can enter questions of speakers, others
[21:39] <Sue_Thomas> Andrew we will have to look at the tech you have available
[21:39] <Andrew_Gallix> There are no costs
[21:40] <Nicki> no costs?
[21:40] * Nicki wakes up
[21:40] <Deena> and have something to archive on trace
[21:40] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes Sue
[21:40] <Mike> Paris wasn't on my list this year. Andrew but I can be flexible
[21:40] <Sue_Thomas> we are going to discuss a live chat with Alan Sondheim I think, when I come next week
[21:40] <Deena> wow, that is great.
[21:40] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes
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[21:40] <cahoots> hello?
[21:40] <Andrew_Gallix> Hello!
[21:41] <Helen_W> welcome back cahoots
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[21:41] <Andrew_Gallix> Bye bye
[21:41] <cahoots> sorry - I seem to be having all sorts of problems tonight
[21:41] <Andrew_Gallix> Aren't we all?!
[21:41] <Deena> Hi again cahoots. Now we are talking about the possibility of an online component to the conference literature et internet
[21:41] <cahoots> oh - brilliant
[21:41] <Mike> I can come for a football game
[21:41] <Andrew_Gallix> Please do
[21:41] <Helen_W> Presumably travel and accommodation will still need to be paid for -- is there accommodation at the Sorbonne or will attendees need Paris hotels?
[21:41] <Sue_Thomas> Deena it all depends on what is available there
[21:41] <Nicki> does table football count?
[21:41] <Ev> Hello Andrew, that was a doppleganger leaving (Everdeen Tree>Everdeen>Ev)
[21:42] <Mike> five a side, no Nicki real football
[21:42] <Andrew_Gallix> Table football? Definitely
[21:42] <Mike> real bone crunching grasseating
[21:42] <Andrew_Gallix> No, people will have to rely on hotels
[21:42] <Feathers> stop it mike, you're turning me on
[21:42] <Helen_W> well there are plenty to choose from!
[21:42] <Sue_Thomas> I used to be good at table football when I was at art college
[21:42] * Deena kicks round online footballs to all
[21:42] <Sue_Thomas> it was THE game
[21:42] <Mike> I'd better stop then
[21:42] <Nicki> no spinning allowed, though
[21:42] <Mike> Feathers
[21:43] <Nicki> in table football that is
[21:43] <Sue_Thomas> not sure how you play it in French
[21:43] <Andrew_Gallix> No spinning? That's not table football then
[21:43] <Mike> I don't want to turn anyone on tonight
[21:43] <Nicki> pure skill, sensitivity and wrist ...
[21:43] <Deena> What results are you hoping for with this conference?
[21:43] <Helen_W> I think everyone who can should get on Eurostar/transatlantic flights and see Paris in the Springtime!
[21:43] <Mike> I've got a headache
[21:43] <Nicki> I don't want to turn anyone on either
[21:43] <Sue_Thomas> so Andrew can you tell everyone a bit more about the cost of the colloque?
[21:43] <Andrew_Gallix> You've been spinning too much Mike
[21:44] <Mike> j'ai mal a la tete
[21:44] <Mike> oui c'
[21:44] <Andrew_Gallix> :-)
[21:44] <Mike> est ca
[21:44] <Andrew_Gallix> what costs?
[21:44] <Nicki> we're all amazed at no costs
[21:44] <Mike> I wouldn't worry about it , Nicki ...ahem
[21:44] <Sue_Thomas> well, you say there is no registration fee
[21:45] <Andrew_Gallix> No, that's right
[21:45] <cahoots> I'm sorry, I missed that - did you say it's free?
[21:45] <Sue_Thomas> will there be food?
[21:45] <Sue_Thomas> how will ppl eat at lunchtime for example?
[21:45] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes it's free. There'll be food and lots of booze
[21:45] <cahoots> dates, dates, give me dates
[21:45] <Nicki> free booze?
[21:45] <Andrew_Gallix> Plus table football
[21:45] <Mike> this is interesting...
[21:45] <Andrew_Gallix> Free booze
[21:45] <Nicki> and table football!
[21:45] * griff perks up
[21:46] <Sue_Thomas> and will you be able to recommend places for ppl to stay or will they have to arrange that themselves?
[21:46] <Andrew_Gallix> and table football!
[21:46] <cahoots> do you have to play table football before drinking?
[21:46] <Andrew_Gallix> I can suggest various places
[21:46] <Andrew_Gallix> No, after drinking
[21:46] <Sue_Thomas> sounds good to me!
[21:46] * Helen_W looks at diary for march
[21:46] <Andrew_Gallix> What the table football?
[21:47] <Sue_Thomas> all of it :)
[21:47] * Deena thinks real Parisian food might be better than the online version...
[21:47] <Andrew_Gallix> That's because you're going to beat us all, Sue!
[21:47] <Sue_Thomas> ha!
[21:47] <Sue_Thomas> does Francois play table football?
[21:47] <Andrew_Gallix> I shouldn't think so! But you might be able to tempt him
[21:47] * Helen_W fondly remembers the most wonderful chocolate mousse in the whole world in Paris many years ago
[21:47] <Nicki> is anyone offering a paper yet on table football?
[21:47] * cahoots would only be capable of playing table football after much wine
[21:47] <Sue_Thomas> ok, put it on the agenda
[21:48] <Sue_Thomas> nicki why don't you offer a paper on the Sims?
[21:48] <Andrew_Gallix> Nicki you can come & talk about it
[21:48] * griff is planning to ask someone what this table football is all about
[21:48] <Andrew_Gallix> Don't ask!
[21:48] <Nicki> The Sims - now I bet they play table football
[21:48] <Sue_Thomas> don't they have it in India?
[21:48] <cahoots> to griff - I find nodding and smiling a lot helps
[21:48] <Sue_Thomas> Peter it
[21:48] <Sue_Thomas> s obvious - you play football on a table
[21:49] * Mike will have to find out how to do a paper
[21:49] <griff> er, one presumes you need rather large, sturdy tables, or am I missing something?
[21:49] <Deena> Have you gotten many papers so far?
[21:49] <Nicki> at least you don't need studs in your boots
[21:49] <Mike> what's that in English? a paper?
[21:49] * Deena hands out paper thin tables guaranteed to hold up under any football match
[21:50] <Andrew_Gallix> About 23 papers
[21:50] <Feathers> peter, a very small ball, with little plastic players that you manipulate on rods
[21:50] <Mike> the Sunday times
[21:50] <Nicki> a proposal instead of paper, perhaps
[21:50] <Sue_Thomas> Peter do you really not have that in India? Maybe you have table cricket instead?
[21:50] <cahoots> is there a website with relevant info on this?
[21:50] <griff> ah, those! yes, I've seen that.
[21:50] <Feathers> the Canadian equivalent of table football is called air hockey
[21:50] <Helen_W> hey hey -- did you know it's now called foosball?
[21:50] <cahoots> ER, on the conference, rather than table football
[21:51] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes there is one
[21:51] * cahoots sighs and rolls her eyes, Helen, do keep up, that was years ago
[21:51] * Mike to self
[21:51] <Andrew_Gallix> Can someone give the url again?
[21:51] <Mike> they don't believe that I don't know what a paper is
[21:51] <Deena> http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/events/sorbonne/
[21:51] * cahoots prepares to catch the url, thereby avoiding an own goal
[21:51] <Nicki> I believe you Mike
[21:51] <Andrew_Gallix> thanks
[21:51] <cahoots> thnx
[21:52] <griff> we once made up a game called foosball... played on a carrom board with a table tennis ball. and you're only allowed to blow the ball
[21:52] <Mike> thanks Nicki
[21:52] <Sue_Thomas> Andrew next week we must talk about putting some tourist info on the website
[21:52] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes, that would be a good idea
[21:52] <Mike> I can find out anyway I'm sure its not beyond my capacity
[21:52] <Mike> Paris is in Europe
[21:52] <Andrew_Gallix> Who knows Mike?
[21:52] <Mike> Europe is in Asia.
[21:53] * Helen_W has never played table football (or foosball)
[21:53] <Andrew_Gallix> And vice versa
[21:53] <Feathers> if it's about writing for new media, why do you call them "papers"?
[21:53] <Mike> Asia is that big hen shaped continent ...
[21:53] <Andrew_Gallix> Because we're old-fashioned
[21:53] <Nicki> I like the idea of doing something on The Sims but can't see how it fits
[21:53] <cahoots> I suppose because it's a familiar term - people like them
[21:53] <Nicki> but table football fits perfectly
[21:53] <Deena> Good point--why are there never any new media works on new media and literature in the internet in these conferences?
[21:53] * griff thinks fethars has a point
[21:53] <Andrew_Gallix> There will be some
[21:54] <Andrew_Gallix> There will be quite a lot in fact
[21:54] <Andrew_Gallix> Almost all of them so far
[21:54] <Mike> Thnks, Andrew
[21:54] <Feathers> maybe we also need a new vocabulary
[21:54] <Deena> Nicki--how has the sims game changed the internet? How has writing about sims on the net changed the game? what attitudes and trends do you see with sims and the internet?
[21:54] * griff swears at his keyboard and apologises to Feathers
[21:54] <Helen_W> the number of internet conferences I've been to with no internet access -- demoing online courses without access to online.....it's a strange world!
[21:54] * Ev nods in agreement with Helen
[21:54] <Mike> what's the Sims ?
[21:54] <Mike> Simpsons ?
[21:54] <Nicki> Yeah - but it's not literature
[21:54] * Ev would admit to playing foosball in the 70's......
[21:54] * Ev laughs
[21:54] <Nicki> But it could be a "new literature"
[21:54] <Nicki> What is literature after all>
[21:54] * Deena won't admit to playing...but has anyway
[21:54] <cahoots> to mike - computer game
[21:54] <Helen_W> For Incubation we have avoided the word "papers" altogether (proudly)
[21:55] <Mike> ah
[21:55] <Deena> are there any papers on games as lit yet?
[21:55] <Sue_Thomas> we also avoided the word literature :)
[21:55] <Andrew_Gallix> What word do you use?
[21:55] <Nicki> games as lit? - that interests me
[21:55] <Mike> a paper on the Simpsons would be good ( if I knew what a paper was )
[21:55] <Nicki> games as life - that interests me
[21:55] <Andrew_Gallix> Do you use any words?
[21:55] <Andrew_Gallix> Life as games, that's me
[21:55] <cahoots> me too. did anyone follow The Trail leading up to AI film?
[21:56] <griff> i once did a presentation on why computer games should be allowed in the office environment.... this was long ago, before the things became ubiquitous
[21:56] <Sue_Thomas> AI? worst film this year
[21:56] <Sue_Thomas> what a load of *********
[21:56] <Deena> probably a good idea. But does literature imply just linear works, or can it encompass much more?
[21:56] <cahoots> absolutely agree, sue, but the marketing was fantastic
[21:56] <Mike> they're making a game of Lord of the Rings ?
[21:56] * Ev sweeps up all the discarded words and puts their letters in the recycle bin
[21:56] <Helen_W> OK, we're running out of official time here -- you can carry on chatting, but would Andrew like to make a closing statement? (Come to the Colloque!?)
[21:56] * cahoots apologises - she used to work for an advertising agency
[21:56] <Sue_Thomas> cahoots - yes I saw the website but didn't have time to do it
[21:56] <Mike> the game of the film of the book
[21:57] <Deena> Thanks so much for joining us Andrew and talking about 3 am and the upcoming conference. I hope we can tie all these terrific events and happenings together :)
[21:57] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes: come to the colloque to play table football and drink free booze
[21:57] * griff looks sympathetically at cahoots. Me too
[21:57] <Helen_W> :)
[21:57] * Nicki cheers
[21:57] * cahoots grins at griff
[21:57] <Sue_Thomas> thanks Andrew - very enlighten ing!
[21:57] <Andrew_Gallix> Who's coming then?
[21:58] <Andrew_Gallix> I'm like that, Me
[21:58] <Sue_Thomas> well, Me, obviously
[21:58] <Mike> I'll have to consult my psychic
[21:58] <Andrew_Gallix> Obviously
[21:58] * Ev smiles....thinks "priceline.com priceline.com"
[21:58] <cahoots> I'll have to check my bank balance and visa acceptability, but yes, I'd love to come. It sounds really interesting
[21:58] <Andrew_Gallix> Me too
[21:58] <Mike> but Paris ..tempting.
[21:58] * Nicki wants to seriously think about it now and promises not to be a football lout
[21:58] <Sue_Thomas> there is a cheap offer in the UK atm - 2 eurostar tickets for 90 quid
[21:58] <Feathers> online access would be the next best thing
[21:58] <Helen_W> I would like to congratulate Andrew on not only coping with chat as a newbie but becoming a complete hand by the end :)
[21:58] <Sue_Thomas> yes well done!
[21:58] <Andrew_Gallix> Thanks Helen
[21:58] <Deena> Yes, please think about tying in a live chat or bulletin board or something...
[21:58] <Andrew_Gallix> Thanks Sue
[21:58] * cahoots applauds Andrew
[21:59] <Deena> Good night all
[21:59] * Nicki does more cheering
[21:59] <Andrew_Gallix> Thanks Cahoots
[21:59] *** Deena has left #trace
[21:59] <cahoots> oh, great site by the way - I've been browsing through it while chatting
[21:59] <Mike> night
[21:59] <Andrew_Gallix> Bye Deena
[21:59] <Ev> merci Andrew
[21:59] <Sue_Thomas> Night all - I must go too
[21:59] <Sue_Thomas> a bientot Andrew
[21:59] <Nicki> Thanks Andrew
[21:59] <Andrew_Gallix> De rien
[21:59] <griff> bye Sue
[21:59] <Mike> aurevoir
[21:59] <Andrew_Gallix> A bientot
[21:59] <Feathers> a la prochaine, Andrew, et bonne chance
[21:59] <Mike> a bientot
[21:59] <Nicki> and thanks for being so open to football suggestions too
[21:59] <Sue_Thomas> bye all
[21:59] <Andrew_Gallix> Take care Feathers
[21:59] <Mike> bye Sue
[21:59] *** Sue_Thomas has quit IRC (QUIT: )
[21:59] <cahoots> confuses all by saying goodbye in a completely different language "tot siens"
[22:00] *** Feathers has quit IRC (QUIT: )
[22:00] <Mike> tot strachs
[22:00] <Helen_W> Thanks for coming Andrew, it's been really entertaining!
[22:00] * cahoots exits to check her bank balance
[22:00] <griff> Helen did you manage to download dupeless?
[22:00] <Andrew_Gallix> Yes it was fun talking about table football
[22:00] * Nicki smiles
[22:00] *** cahoots has left #trace
[22:00] <Helen_W> ah, yes Peter, thank you for that! It seems to work very well :)
[22:00] * Ev sings "and another one bites the dust!"
[22:01] * Ev winks...meaning one of Me!
[22:01] <Andrew_Gallix> Thanks all of you. I hope to meet you in the three dimensional world some time. Cheers
[22:01] *** Ev has quit IRC (QUIT: )
[22:01] <Nicki> Thanks again Andrew - maybe I will get there. Who knows?
[22:01] <griff> yes, it's brought order to my hard disc!
[22:01] <Mike> Ev I got my assignment done
[22:01] <Everdeen> Hooray Mike!
[22:01] <Andrew_Gallix> Hope to see you there Nicki
[22:01] * Everdeen online if not else, Andrew
[22:01] <Mike> why is everybody flying off jees yeh thanks ev
[22:01] <Everdeen> bye all!
[22:01] <Nicki> See you everyone
[22:01] *** Everdeen has quit IRC (QUIT: )
[22:06] <griff> think I should get off too. Meeting tomorrow, and it's 3.30 a.m. now. g'night Helen, Andrew, Mike
[22:06] <Mike> night Griff
[22:06] <Helen_W> Well, I'm afraid I have to go too! Bye all!
[22:06] <Andrew_Gallix> CU. I'm off too. Bye
[22:06] *** Andrew_Gallix has left #trace

Session Close: Sun Jan 20 22:06:40 2002

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