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Castles out of air: copyright (1 of 9), Read 189 times

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Bernard Cohen (bernard.cohen@ntu.ac.uk)

Date:

24 June 1999 02:25 PM

This area is intended for a non-technical discussion of copyright and moral rights issues in relation to work published on the internet. I've posted a discussion starter at http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/cohen/copycopy.htm but participants should feel free to bring any copyright issues into this discussion.
Bernard Cohen
writer in residence
trAce online writing community
http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/cohen
http://www.hermes.net.au/bernard

 

 

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Castles out of air: copyright (2 of 9), Read 171 times

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Sue Thomas (sue.thomas@dial.pipex.com)

Date:

24 June 1999 05:10 PM

Bernard

I love this!(As I read it right now, however, you need to change the last link - it's duplicated I think.)

You pose a hard question. If you'd like to have a vote on this, you can get voting software to put on your site from
http://www.beseen.com/quiz/index.html

sue

Sue Thomas
Director
trAce Online Writing Community
http://trace.ntu.ac.uk
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Castles out of air: copyright (3 of 9), Read 141 times

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Deane Williams (dtwillia@postoffice.utas.edu.au)

Date:

30 June 1999 08:16 AM

Bernard,

A copyright on grass? Out of the question.

The sign? Can an architect or builder prohibit the photographing of a building? Hardly. The maker of the sign then? No.

If we're talking about 'hard copies' of the sign, in wood complete with (without) peeling paint, that's different.

If it was a CocaCola sign and the hippy at Katoomba (friend of yours?) manipulated it to say 'Legalise Coke', the Company may have a case against her. They are just as likely to ride on the publicity.

Intellectual copyright? You may need to go back to the original author. Who was it now who wrote 'PLEASE KEEP OFF THE GRASS'? Or, if the photograph is deemed to have particular artistic merit, (yours doesn't, sorry) there may be a case.

What do others think?

That spellchecker wanted me to put a 'Zee' in legalise! ditch it Sue.


Deane

"I am afraid of disappearing without leaving a trace."
Dancer Pablo Veron,
in the Sally Potter film The Tango Lesson.

 

 

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Castles out of air: copyright (4 of 9), Read 146 times

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Bernard Cohen (bernard.cohen@ntu.ac.uk)

Date:

30 June 1999 01:57 PM

Hi Deane,
Welcome to this discussion, and thank you for your contribution. I probably should have phrased the conference name more broadly to incorporate control of and restrictions on the use of text.

I agree that an architect can't stop the photographing of (or looking at) a building any more than an author can stop the reading of the information in a book. And (in the Haddon House example) unless the sign painter could claim to be making an artwork, he or she could not stop anyone copying it in any way (the author of the plagiarised words being long since dead, too).

But the Duke of Rutland has the right to control my behaviour on his land (though he did permit me to photograph his gardens). I have the right to restrict use of any of my 'works' (including holiday snaps) by my amoral Katoomba acquaintances. Should my 'keep off the grass' photo become famous, and closely associated with my name (and reputation), its use on a drug-pushing site might imply that I had licensed its use there. I might have an action in defamation.

On the other (legal?) side of the fence, Coca Cola has the right to limit the use of the words 'enjoy' and 'always', Reebok the common phrase 'just do it' and McDonalds has shown it can restrict use of a common Scottish family name and of particular imperial measures.

How enforceable these rights are and how available are remedies for damages caused by their abuse are other issues.

Perhaps people in this community have borrowed images or texts from other sources, or have had their work borrowed or taken? Tales of woe and corporate conquest welcome.

Bernard

 

 

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Yahoo/geocities (5 of 9), Read 139 times

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Bernard Cohen (bernard.cohen@ntu.ac.uk)

Date:

01 July 1999 06:16 PM

(reposted to this list by Bernard)
From: Margaret Penfold (margaret@webleicester.co.uk)
Date: 01 July 1999 02:01 PM

I received the following forwarded post
The full story is/was on Wired News
There is also an article in the Guardian on-line
today 1st July
:
>>
http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.html
>>
>> Yahoo has added the following clause to their "free" web hosting terms of
>> service:
>>
>> Under its terms of service, publishers must give Yahoo a "royalty-free,
>> perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and
>> license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create
>> derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content" in
>> any form or media.
>>
>
>this means that if you post any work (writing, photos, etc.) on a geocities
web server, they own
>the copyright.



Regards,Margaret

 

 

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Yahoo/geocities (6 of 9), Read 134 times

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Deane Williams (dtwillia@postoffice.utas.edu.au)

Date:

02 July 1999 07:50 AM

Hi everyone,

Please excuse my flippant reference to copyrighting grass. Thinking the absurd helps me identify the point at which such an issue becomes meaningful.

The tone of my comment may have given the impression that I favour 'free use' of material without regard. On the contrary, I am most particular in my own work not to appropriate the work of others.

And yes, in the context of this discussion, we should focus our thoughts on text. The digital revolution and the ease by which material can be copied, manipulated and republished, is making the copyright issue a nightmare.

I too picked up this change by Yahoo! Geocities at:

http://www.thefreesite.com/freewebpages.htm

They say:

"Since Yahoo swallowed up GeoCities we've had a number of complaints about their new rules, in which they now require that you grant them "royalty-free" use of your content. Indeed, some users have joined together in an effort to boycott Yahoo."

I find this quite alarming.

Deane

 

 

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Yahoo/geocities (7 of 9), Read 136 times

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Sue Thomas (sue.thomas@dial.pipex.com)

Date:

02 July 1999 07:57 AM

I believe that Geocities have now retracted this copyright statement and are revising it.

sue

http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/suethomas
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Yahoo/geocities (8 of 9), Read 136 times

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Flavia Dzodan (fdzodan@usa.net)

Date:

02 July 1999 05:53 PM

not really, they have "slightly" changed the clause. now they say that you can hold copyright but they still have the freedom to change your work, translate it or modify it at their own pleasure.

more about this at:

http://www.sitepowerup.com/boycottyahoo/boycottyahoo.htm

flavia

 

 

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Castles out of air: copyright (9 of 9), Read 27 times

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From:

Margaret Penfold (margaret@webleicester.co.uk)

Date:

25 August 1999 09:16 PM

For anyone interested in copyright and work on the internet the following URLs may be of interest.
http://www.alcs.co.uk/introduction.html

http://www.imprimatur.alcs.co.uk/linksto.htm

Regards,Margaret